goofed a day ago | prev | next |

Why Elon didn't use the same strategy with China?

tmottabr 18 hours ago | root | parent | next |

Because it does not work..

Sure, it makes technically harder to block.. But governments don't rely only technical solutions for problems..

China, like Brazil is doing, would order Cloudflare to block Twitter and they would have to choose either comply and help China block it, like they are doing in Brazil, or challenge and not comply and face the consequences and likely a full block..

Having Cloudflare fully blocked in both countries would be terrible for business as they have many other customers so it is economically best to comply and potentially loose one customer then challenge the order and loose the entire market..

KomoD a day ago | prev | next |

Looks like they only use it in Brazil, everywhere else seems to resolve to regular Twitter IPs

kingofthehill98 a day ago | root | parent |

Then our Supreme Court will have to issue a legal order to Cloudflare, which has representatives in Brazil, to block X nation-wide.

Blocking Cloudflare itself wouldn't make any sense as our country systems themselves would get hurt and I don't think Cloudflare will deny such order.

SpicyLemonZest a day ago | root | parent | next |

It's hard to see why Cloudflare would put themselves in this position if they're planning to back down when the order inevitably comes in. (Perhaps Twitter somehow did this without Cloudflare's cooperation - I wouldn't put that past them trying but I'd be surprised if it were possible.)

fivre 14 hours ago | root | parent | next |

are there technical details on exactly what x.com did?

cloudflare offers a lot of self-service tools, which can and do allow customers that cloudflare doesn't want to service to use it until someone finds out (my favorite example is that, briefly, the foreign ministry of Iran briefly managed to register and activate properties on the service)

registering while only directing brazilian clients to cloudflare would be difficult using the standard method (setting your domain's nameservers to the cloudflare servers), but cloudflare's CNAME setup option only requires a TXT record. it's possible x.com did that by just paying for a business plan and never interacting with cloudflare staff

doing so for the _root_ record is a bit dicier, but as x.com operates its own nameservers they're probably able to handle the not-quite compliant fuckery necessary to CNAME the root: https://developers.cloudflare.com/dns/zone-setups/partial-se...

kingofthehill98 a day ago | root | parent | prev |

Don't see why they would join this fight agains't Brazil.

The money X Corp is paying them cannot be THAT great to justify losing all brazilian costumers and Cloudflare doesn't seem like a very ideology-driven company.

beeflet a day ago | root | parent |

I think it would be about the matter of principle and demonstrating that they will defend their customer's interests.

tmottabr a day ago | root | parent |

They will defend their customer interests by staying able to do business in Brazil..

Lets remember that Twitter is not their only customer..

So if twitter has problem with some country justice it is their problem to solve, not a problem to be shared with every other Cloudflare customer..

Also, i doubt that they are making more money from Twitter then every other customer in Brazil added together..

beeflet a day ago | root | parent |

by complying with the block it sets a precedent that is bad for their other customers in the long term, not the short term.

tmottabr a day ago | root | parent |

They already do content blocking all over the world..

The precedent is already set, this is nothing new..

CLiED a day ago | root | parent | prev |

I know, but I want Cloudflare to go down in a burst of flames, it makes web scraping such a pain, please do it Baldy.

more_corn a day ago | prev | next |

In tomorrow’s news, Cloudflare blocked by Brazil.

kingofthehill98 a day ago | root | parent |

I'd say it's more likely that Cloudflare will receive a legal order to block X in Brazil.

pid-1 a day ago | root | parent | next |

Then Twitter can migrate to AWS CloudFront.

goofed a day ago | root | parent |

I doubt that any of those services would be willing to risk being fined or blocked in Brazil just to continue hosting X.com.

X is the first and only company willing to prioritize values over revenue in this case.

ChrisArchitect a day ago | prev | next |

Migrated...what.. to Cloudflare?

phoe-krk a day ago | root | parent |

Twitter, currently known as X.

ChrisArchitect a day ago | root | parent |

no I mean what part of twitter, the main application? We're saying it's running off of CF pages and workers now?

Elsewhere I've seen only the t.co domain link shortening/forwarding... which could be a small worker app running there, not the main app.

From what I can see some locations in Brazil route to CF, but not all. And only from x.com, not twitter.com

pjmlp a day ago | prev | next |

Good luck fighting countries, if Brazil is serious about this, it will be blocked again.

diegoholiveira a day ago | prev | next |

It's really interesting that CloudFlare accepted X (Twitter) as a client knowing the fights Musk gets into.

exabrial a day ago | root | parent | next |

We really need to avoid a future where censorship is regarded as a virtue and monopolized transit providers are "cancelled" or shamed into being the judge/jury/executioner.

The far better solution is just to ignore stuff you don't agree with, go outside, and move on with life.

jaredcwhite a day ago | root | parent | next |

lol, no we don't. Hosting providers have always had terms of service, and private enterprise does not need to adhere to government-level definitions of free speech.

meiraleal 17 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Elon algorithmically censors me on twitter and makes everybody reads his xeets, this is the opposite of free speech, it is censorship and propaganda.

Barracoon a day ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Cloudflare was happy to host Kiwi Farms for a long time. I doubt they care what Musk does.

jsheard a day ago | root | parent | next |

Hosting Kiwi Farms wasn't likely to get Cloudflares ASN null-routed by the 7th most populous state on Earth though. There's the potential for serious collateral damage to Cloudflares business here if Brazil calls their bluff.

username332211 a day ago | root | parent |

Null-routing Cloudflare is also going to do a fair bit of collateral damage to the people of the 7th most populous state on Earth though.

Considering the initial order of the Brazilian judiciary regarding VPN, this is almost certainly what Twitter hopes to achieve here.

tmottabr a day ago | root | parent | next |

i doubt it will require null-routing Cloudflare..

they will probably get notified to block twitter in Brazil and will likely comply.

username332211 a day ago | root | parent |

Well, yes it's always possible that Cloudflare will comply with a demand to block Twitter. GP specifically raised the possibility of null-routing and I'm just pointing out it's probably not a good idea.

Log_out_ a day ago | root | parent | prev |

Like project golden shield damaged the chinese internet and handicapped lical grown buisnesses?

username332211 a day ago | root | parent |

Roskomnadzor's 2018 escapade with Telegram under a rather similar situation - their attempts to block it ended up taking out vast sections of the internet (for Russians) that didn't have anything to do with Telegram.

Tying your service to vital internet infrastructure can work. It doesn't even have to be a particularly ironclad solution. In 2018, the powers that be in Russia decided it's cheaper to flood Telegram with their own propaganda, rather than block it.

kotaKat a day ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Google Ads took Twitter on, too. Google now delivers ads directly into Twitter that /sort of/ look like tweets, but just off enough to tell they’re ads. The “Why this ad” sends you off to Google.

Tohhou a day ago | root | parent | prev |

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kingofthehill98 a day ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Free speech is not a law set in stone, in the US you can be a Nazi without any legal repercussions, here in Brazil you cannot.

I'd like to keep it that way.

exabrial a day ago | root | parent | prev |

Just a short history lesson: Nazi's were the ones that burnt the books.

You're welcome!

kingofthehill98 a day ago | root | parent | prev | next |

Exactly, they were the ones burning books. I'd like to keep them prohibited from openly defending their ideology online or offline.

If you're a Nazi the only place you belong is in a prison cell.

exabrial a day ago | root | parent |

I support free speech. Please send the cops to my address for mere words that I said.

andrewinardeer 19 hours ago | root | parent | next |

Threaten to kill the president and the cops will arrive at your house for the words you say.

exabrial 15 hours ago | root | parent |

President Biden is not threatening me with imminent harm or physical violence, why would a reasonable person ever do that?

Only sociopaths and the weak minded solve their problems with force and violence.

jrflowers a day ago | root | parent | prev |

I’m fascinated by folks that, upon seeing something mundane like “fuck nazis”, are compelled to post “Ho ho! You must mean me then!”

Like, no? People online don’t know who you are or why you would feel targeted. Unless you know and care about the person making a point like that the post is literally just noise.

vfclists a day ago | prev |

The real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on.

For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country.

No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It seems rather excessive and an infringement of Brazilians rights, though that is not surprising when we live in a era when governments have taking upon themselves to decide what their citizens rights are, when human rights are supposed to be intrinsic, ie those that all fauna on the planet do.

PauloManrique 11 hours ago | root | parent | next |

> No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It

That's the point, they don't. There's nothing in the law for him to back his decisions. But we just hope for our senate to take action.

meiraleal 8 hours ago | root | parent |

We hope he continue, Moraes has at least 50% of support :)

PauloManrique 6 hours ago | root | parent |

Yeah, he has the support of the same people that used to hate the judges when Brazilian justice system persecuted Lula when went into jail ilegally.

In the end of the day, people just care if their political agenda is being met, it doesn't matter if it throws the country into a dictatorship.

13415 a day ago | root | parent | prev |

It's the Supreme Court, not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.

vfclists 6 hours ago | root | parent | prev |

It makes no difference. If the people posting those tweets are Brazilian denizens why not sanction them under Brazilian laws?

Shutting down Twitter to stop them implies the Brazilian judiciary doesn't have the ability to sanction them under Brazilian law.